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PostSubject: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:56 pm

Hi everyone, I just bought a 2007 red 307SW. I'll be collecting the car on 28th. Hope to see you guys at the next meetup Cheers! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:51 pm

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Hi everyone, I just bought a 2007 red 307SW. I'll be collecting the car on 28th. Hope to see you guys at the next meetup Cheers! Very Happy

Congrats! It is a great workhorse. Mine served me dutifully for 5 years and 138,800 km.

Though it had not much reliability issues for me, do watch out on 2 parts that potentially prone to fail. Water pump for engine and the AL4 gearbox.

Enjoy!
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:58 pm

Thanks for the advice! I'll keep a look out for these 2 whenever I send the car in for servicing. I'm still in Australia and won't be back till 28th morning. First thing I'll do is the rush down to Turf City from the airport to collect the car... Can't wait =)
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:18 am

Do change the ATF.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:51 am

ATF=Auto Transmission Fluid? Yup, will take note of that. Thanks! =)
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:42 am

Collected my 307SW last Wednesday morning. Very nice drive overall but after driving for a couple of days, I get a "gearbox fault" warning when I start the car. It goes away after restarting the car. Is it normal?

I just made an appointment with AF to get it checked... The dealer just sent the car in to AF 2 weeks ago for servicing (and had a receipt to show for that), so I hope it's not too serious...

Anyone else had similar experience?
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:07 am

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Experiences from Malaysian PUG owners on the AL4 transmission. Some goes away after flushing their ATF, while some involve changing the solenoid valves. What sort of mileage is your car? Perhaps can check with AF when was the last time of ATF change. It's about 200 bucks at AF/change. Hopefully, it's not something serious.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:38 am

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Collected my 307SW last Wednesday morning. Very nice drive overall but after driving for a couple of days, I get a "gearbox fault" warning when I start the car. It goes away after restarting the car. Is it normal?

I just made an appointment with AF to get it checked... The dealer just sent the car in to AF 2 weeks ago for servicing (and had a receipt to show for that), so I hope it's not too serious...

Anyone else had similar experience?

My then 2007 307SW also has this error which appears intermittently. The next symptom if appears is sudden jerky gear change. This is indication of the AL4 gearbox problem as mentioned by bro Ozzie.

Mileage was 130K km when it occurs.

Send to AF for diagnostics and they recommend a gearbox overhaul which is 8K. Did not do it but went to Thomas for a ATF change. Drove for another 100km and change ATF again. Repeat it once more. In total, 3 change of ATF. Rationale: Each drain does not drain out 100% of the ATF so a substantial amount remains in the gearbox. So by repeating the ATF replacement, the 'old' oil gets rejuvenated. Apparently, the errors and jerks went away.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:30 am

It cost 110 for atf change at thomas.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:41 am

While driving,observe if the sport & snow buttons on the gearbox are blinking, as that is a checking mechanism for atf change.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:14 pm

Wow, thanks for all the advice. I've made an appointment this Thursday with AF to get it checked first. =)
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:52 pm

AF diagnosed that the gearbox was ok, but some 'multifunction switch' thingy was faulty and had to be replaced. The warnings have not appeared all day today... keeping fingers crossed...
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:58 pm

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AF diagnosed that the gearbox was ok, but some 'multifunction switch' thingy was faulty and had to be replaced. The warnings have not appeared all day today... keeping fingers crossed...

That's great! Enjoy your ride!

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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:21 am

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AF diagnosed that the gearbox was ok, but some 'multifunction switch' thingy was faulty and had to be replaced. The warnings have not appeared all day today... keeping fingers crossed...

how much did it cost?
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:06 pm

Parts about $200+, labour about $400+, total came to about $600++... =P
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:17 am

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Parts about $200+, labour about $400+, total came to about $600++... =P

Did you changed your ATF anyway? If not, do consider doing so.

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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:42 am

Buying this car is cheap but seems maintain it requires some pain killers.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:48 am

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Buying this car is cheap but seems maintain it requires some pain killers.

It was the same for my pre-owned Citroen C4. The purchase price is really cheap but the 'resuscitation' cost is relatively high. The overall cost was $6000, including a gearbox overhaul, timing belt change, water pump change, etc. All in all, it is still a cheap buy as these costs were somehow used as bargaining chips in my purchase.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:04 am

Gearbox overhaul? What mileage had the car done?

BTW, where did you fix the GB ?
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:21 am

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Gearbox overhaul? What mileage had the car done?

BTW, where did you fix the GB ?

about 80K km after near 4.5 years but it has the usual AL4 symtoms (jerks, stradle to 'Neutral' when stop although in Drive, and suddenly went to gear when you release brake pedal and step on accelerator) when I test drive the car. Use that as a bargaining chip to axe off 5K from selling price which the direct seller obliged. The car was in a bad shape interior-wise due to poor cleaning and maintenance but almost all are reversible through some detailing work. The previous female owner (only 1 owner) neglected the car but she seems desperate to let go the car probably she has went to C&C for a quote on GB repair which usually starts from $8K.

Did the overhaul at Khangs Automatic in Sin Ming. The car went in for about 8 days of hospitalisation. The ATF change regime will not work as the symptoms indicate quite critical condition. Have all the wear-and-tear parts such as mounting changed in the process. Cost goes to about $4.5K including parts and labour.

Afterwhich, went to T&P for timing belt and water pump change, air-con filter change, coolant change, wheel bearing change, etc

All in all, including repair costs, paid $40000 for a Jan 2007 C4 but having most of the wear-and-tear parts replaced.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:59 am

80K GB overhaul sounds a little too soon. I would expect gearbox to last 150K at least. If travel a fair bit to Malaysia, 80K km comes around in 2 to 3 years.

I heard of another GB repair centre in Pandan Loop. Seems cheaper than Khang. Friend did a Honda Ody $2.9K.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:50 am

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80K GB overhaul sounds a little too soon. I would expect gearbox to last 150K at least. If travel a fair bit to Malaysia, 80K km comes around in 2 to 3 years.

I heard of another GB repair centre in Pandan Loop. Seems cheaper than Khang. Friend did a Honda Ody $2.9K.

I think you are referring to Top Speed which also quoted me about the same price at Khang. Apparently, it is the make that determines the pricing.

Anyway, I reckon it boils down to maintenance of the vehicle. Also, I never trust the odometer for pre-owned car. It can be easily rigged even so, for digital ones.

You are right about the 150K mileage for GB. With proper maintenance such as regular changing of ATF, the lifespan can be prolonged. My previous 307SW (registered in May 2007) did 148K km when I traded it in. Its AL4 GB is still quite smooth.

Prevention is the best policy if you want to keep the vehicle for years.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:40 pm

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Parts about $200+, labour about $400+, total came to about $600++... =P

Must be a laborious task.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner of pre-loved 2007 red 307SW   Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:50 pm

I guess those of us who buy second hand cars should set aside some money for maintenance as part of the budget. The depreciation of mine works out to be $7k+ but I factored in about $2-3K for maintenance per year... so running cost (excluding tax and petrol) should be about $10k... still cheaper than maintaining a brand new... COE of $90K means depreciation of $9K per year at least... =P
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